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	<title>Comments on: How &#8220;free&#8221; works</title>
	<link>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/</link>
	<description>Stories, thoughts &#038; insights on Jesus, college students, and the Bible; Los Angeles, immigration, politics, ethnicity and culture, and also about my daughter Isabel - from a spanglish gringo father living in, learning from, leading &#038; loving life in East L.A.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2608</link>
		<author>Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't even let you sit in my virtual Starbucks in SecondLife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even let you sit in my virtual Starbucks in SecondLife.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2588</link>
		<author>Steve Marks</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2588</guid>
		<description>I got kicked out of the Westwood Starbucks once (the big flagship one next to the movie theaters) because I brought over my Diddy Riese Cookies ice cream sandwich. Starbucks is a nice place to sit and eat (and people-watch), but I guess they didn't see it that way, even if I was going to buy coffee.

Part of me was pissed off and thought "it's their loss" -- I was probably going to buy some coffee and now I wouldn't. But another part of me thought that it's their business and they can choose to ask me to leave if they want, whether I like it or not, and whether or not I think it's plain ol' bad business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got kicked out of the Westwood Starbucks once (the big flagship one next to the movie theaters) because I brought over my Diddy Riese Cookies ice cream sandwich. Starbucks is a nice place to sit and eat (and people-watch), but I guess they didn&#8217;t see it that way, even if I was going to buy coffee.</p>
<p>Part of me was pissed off and thought &#8220;it&#8217;s their loss&#8221; &#8212; I was probably going to buy some coffee and now I wouldn&#8217;t. But another part of me thought that it&#8217;s their business and they can choose to ask me to leave if they want, whether I like it or not, and whether or not I think it&#8217;s plain ol&#8217; bad business.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2578</link>
		<author>Craig</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2578</guid>
		<description>I think it is safe to say that the two of you aren't going to agree on this one.  In the past I have been more on the side of "politeness" - that being the idea that it is polite to make a purchase if you are utilizing the Starbucks facilities.  I think this is born from the sentiment that if you are a guest in someones home that it is polite to show your appreciation for their generosity to contributing to the wellbeing of the household (washing dishes, taking them out to dinner as a thank you, etc.).  The difference in this case is that Starbucks is a business taking advantage of their facilities is not analogous to being a guest in someones home.  I think expressing your gratefulness for freely using Starbucks facilities by making a purchase is discretionary (and if done it is not "short sided") and if a purchase is not made it is likewise not wrong.

I would add that attracting people to sit at their tables is a part of Starbucks business strategy.  Having people sitting and using their wireless network actually helps to make them appear to be cool, useful, busy (choose your positive description) which helps them sell more of their products even if the people sitting in their chairs don't actually purchase anything (sorry if you made this argument already - it just occurred to me).

In any case, I think sitting at Starbucks and using their wireless network without buying anything is akin to using the restrooms at a gas station or McDonalds without buying anything which I would argue is commonly accepted as a reasonable practice.  Granted using Starbucks is probably a longer process but I think the analogy holds true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is safe to say that the two of you aren&#8217;t going to agree on this one.  In the past I have been more on the side of &#8220;politeness&#8221; - that being the idea that it is polite to make a purchase if you are utilizing the Starbucks facilities.  I think this is born from the sentiment that if you are a guest in someones home that it is polite to show your appreciation for their generosity to contributing to the wellbeing of the household (washing dishes, taking them out to dinner as a thank you, etc.).  The difference in this case is that Starbucks is a business taking advantage of their facilities is not analogous to being a guest in someones home.  I think expressing your gratefulness for freely using Starbucks facilities by making a purchase is discretionary (and if done it is not &#8220;short sided&#8221;) and if a purchase is not made it is likewise not wrong.</p>
<p>I would add that attracting people to sit at their tables is a part of Starbucks business strategy.  Having people sitting and using their wireless network actually helps to make them appear to be cool, useful, busy (choose your positive description) which helps them sell more of their products even if the people sitting in their chairs don&#8217;t actually purchase anything (sorry if you made this argument already - it just occurred to me).</p>
<p>In any case, I think sitting at Starbucks and using their wireless network without buying anything is akin to using the restrooms at a gas station or McDonalds without buying anything which I would argue is commonly accepted as a reasonable practice.  Granted using Starbucks is probably a longer process but I think the analogy holds true.</p>
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		<title>By: Abner Ramos</title>
		<link>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2557</link>
		<author>Abner Ramos</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2557</guid>
		<description>You're so wrong it's not even funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so wrong it&#8217;s not even funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Spanglish Gringo</title>
		<link>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2554</link>
		<author>Spanglish Gringo</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2554</guid>
		<description>That's exactly my point.  

As I've stated all along - This is a business decision &#038; practice by Starbucks to improve their bottom line of sales.  It is not opposed to their profit, rather, it is part of why they are so profitable.  They are willing to invest in customers like me, their services &#038; free products in order to promote sales.  They know that if I'm at Starbucks (vs. the local library) that I'm more likely to purchase something from them than if I'm not there.  

And so they encourage my presence by extending their tables &#038; chairs to me free of charge because they know basic economics principles.  They know that there is "no free lunch" or in this case, free coffee.  My presence at their table and the "free" samples are "paid for" or included in the price of their products.

Ultimately, I believe that this is what causes so much disdain &#038; reaction to my practice.  Not as though I was "pulling a fast one on Starbucks" or "sticking it to the man," but because I make purchases based on desire not obligation (all within Starbucks business practices), causing others who make obligatory purchases recognize the short-sidedness of their own purchasing practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly my point.  </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve stated all along - This is a business decision &#038; practice by Starbucks to improve their bottom line of sales.  It is not opposed to their profit, rather, it is part of why they are so profitable.  They are willing to invest in customers like me, their services &#038; free products in order to promote sales.  They know that if I&#8217;m at Starbucks (vs. the local library) that I&#8217;m more likely to purchase something from them than if I&#8217;m not there.  </p>
<p>And so they encourage my presence by extending their tables &#038; chairs to me free of charge because they know basic economics principles.  They know that there is &#8220;no free lunch&#8221; or in this case, free coffee.  My presence at their table and the &#8220;free&#8221; samples are &#8220;paid for&#8221; or included in the price of their products.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I believe that this is what causes so much disdain &#038; reaction to my practice.  Not as though I was &#8220;pulling a fast one on Starbucks&#8221; or &#8220;sticking it to the man,&#8221; but because I make purchases based on desire not obligation (all within Starbucks business practices), causing others who make obligatory purchases recognize the short-sidedness of their own purchasing practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy E</title>
		<link>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2552</link>
		<author>Eddy E</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/2007/08/09/how-free-works/#comment-2552</guid>
		<description>To ultimately recruit PAYING customers :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ultimately recruit PAYING customers <img src='http://www.spanglishgringo.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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